Why a Grand Bargain is a Moral and Political Disaster (with Digby)

Why a Grand Bargain is a Moral and Political Disaster (with Digby)


it’s size it’s very hard for can really
i have no sense of where we go from here because we’re now just starting to see the stories come out about the
implications of the sequestered but they’re all all essentially aggregated stories of local stories you know i mean this is an d the one thing that has become clear to
me about the sequester there with these two things i think that’d be become
clear to me one is is that if we take gene sperling
at his word uh… the head of um… or what one of the uh… chief uh…
economic advisors to president obama that the sequester was designed to force as a grand bargain right i mean he told this to bob
woodward he said it on his uh… his reddit amay that uh… this the idea behind this question was
is that the republicans would be a bit of stomach it they would be forced to come to the
table will be willing to offer entitlement cuts to make it easier for
them to swallow increase revenues in the form of of the higher taxes on the wealthy and
uh… some uh… get rid of some tax expenditures like uh… maybe the home mortgage deduction for
the wealthy maybe uh… carried interest loopholes eccentric center is two things that that that come out of
that in in in far as i’m concerned is one they really wanted to get to
entitled reform which we’ve already talked about and two they’re not very good at this i mean i visit the to it is one thing to say ok i have a
disagreement with the administration as to where we should be getting too okay that you should design a aid
mechanism to get to entitlement reform and raising revenues haha i can disagree with their agenda
there also failed to even execute that and so
now we’re stuck with the sequester they they blew the politics on the
sequester because they didn’t understand that and and yahoo two months ago i
think we were talking and i think we had this conversation of this a questions
get ahead the polling shows that the republicans gave blame for the problem
is is that will the american public be conscious of is egg that they’re blaming the republicans
can happen and it seems like now uh… shorter of uh… piece in the huffington post by
sam stein in uh… amanda terkel and then a peace i think i’m buzzfeed today
about implications of the sequester on one on one military personnel um… jerry’s there’s very little reporting
and very little leave for the national media to cover
this story because i don’t know how to read no i don’t see you know and that there’s
going to be anecdotal story since you know any here fiat you know michelle bachman you know whining because in her district
something happening in anything but we need to cut but if not here there’s been
a part of uh… sequestered in india for my paper
and recalled a week i think it’s kind of bitter and you know maybe this is going to
growing he’ll look at this point i fully expect however it happening is that what
you’re finding it a lot of pressure behind the scenes from major corporations and certainly
from defense contractors too you know deal with the fitting quietly under the radar were already
there are reports that you know they have already mitigated from the defense cuts which both democrats and republicans
want of course although that was the press to be the
big you know the big roadblock that would
bring a republican to the table the minute that the defense attack happened
by now effort bipartisan saying that’s not just republicans
democrat there’s a huge faction of the democratic party that it’s very
supportive of these defense contractors the clinton administration i mean that’s
you know that they have said quite clearly we will not you know in fact
obama said that he couldn’t back up into balls not because of the first cure you can’t
honestly but because of the defense a catfish
they propose so that was always kind of a phony contract that this is going to be the
republican uh… motivator uh… so what you’re doing is behind the scenes there
whittling away at this and you know that’s already happened with the with
the continuing resolution they had you know they give him tweak
their to off at some of those sent to cut so you know i concede that happening
where under the radar that big you know day-to-day the big intrested
big special entrance uh… working away at it wow big government expenses that are
directly attributable to government today you know shutting down in airport
terminal are i think i think it really inconvenient
to people may become more obvious but you know
what they’re going to blame the government right anne today blamed republicans for nafta now i don’t know i mean maybe but i think what they do
you blame if if the government this functional how how we hate the
government and who and what what group is it that um…
makes a profit at that particular you know particular etiquette the only
way that seems to me for the republicans any type of uh… political price in these situations uh… is is is they are challenged is specific house races for voting for the sequester essentially yet an eighty eight grueling
like okay enough do something is that we see you know
stories of uh… some of the more prominent stories and seeing our a lot of cuts to things like head start
uh… along cuts too to food programs for or the poor he will essentially programs
that have very little constituencies anyways uh… or at least as should say very uh… a week hard not politically powerful
constituencies and are so when you get like okay they
shut down our regional airport vende maybe you can see an opening for a
challenger uh… in the twenty fourteen election
coming to say you voted for this you you’re the one who is hurt uh… i don’t know kalamazoo uh… economic development as they’ve
cut you know they shut down our our regional airport or whatever it is uh…
and and that is not the stuff that you can you can nationalize the campaign no but that it could be cheaper to do
and that you know local campaign and i think you know by the way you can have
your own fortunately it wasn’t just republican ordered proprietary rights i mean there are a lot of democrats
we’re going to be on the line for the distinctive and i would guess that you
know when it comes to pick up like head to tartar you know caring about actual human beings instead
of big you know corporate entrance that they’re going to get here with a bunch of liquor brea
sanctimonious republican saying look what you’ve done to the people he had
been democratic ticket weirdly from the from the left bahut bada there right and and they’re gonna pay a price for
that because you know that i don’t think that republicans are going to have any
compunction whatsoever about running against democrats on any issue that date and felt split of undoubtedly
voted for her fate had the chance although there were some from republican
to vote against sequester ko um… they were the hardcore steeper you know won’t far-right type like
michelle bachman who basically wanted to uh… you know have default budapest you
know i do know that a lot of democrat voted
again to sequester kitchen beat that that was not a majority of democrats of
many democrats page and today and and on or the right reasons you know they kind of thought
handwriting on the wall here and recognize that it was not a good idea to be playing you know game with these programs that
are very very important q real human beings in a time of economic
distress i mean it’s not like he’s a good time with an air tickets well you
know will make up for it which can help
remove some money around or something i mean this is in audio they care very cash-strapped
and this is not an easy thing for them to deal with hand yet though and i keep coming along
the pike is that you noted that the pressure is going to be on those liberal
democrat they’re going to be the ones who are
going to be asked at some point down the road here to make the grand bargain if john there can’t find enough republican to and get them to agree to let him
bring it to the floor puzzling is that you know people talk
about the these how wonderful what a wonderful victory
that the pastor rule all uh… being that i know a nobel will be brought to the
floor if it doesn’t have uh… republican majority supporting it
the wonderful aspect of the has to rule being broken in trash forever as a half
as if anybody compared about that okay impeccable any mind anyway at winning
agreed to do it on the fiscal quickly o hit the extracted at you know i a the pledge that he would not give it won’t
do it to other instances inactive envious gave me at the moment and where
we have seen that the hassle rules not in effect over the past three months now and i have i can t remember but the
point being is that when this grand bargain and wouldn’t you know this story
i think it was in the um… you was in the uh… word of the wall street journal um… the white house is strongly
considering including limits on entitlement benefits in its fiscal
twenty fourteen budget uh… so they’re thinking about do you
think about even sort of like you’re not going to accept the gramm
bargain we’re gonna force feed you these attacks strike force do these cuts to uh… to entitlements
and you’ve got a lot and he misses but this is the republican wet dream right i
mean we’re gonna get cuts the soc carrot in medicare take back toward the end and
we’re gonna be able to say the democrats did hammer and and so this is the wet dream
but the bottom line is is that they will also include black would be a poison pill for
republicans that being a type of uh… lm of revenue increase the uh… loophole all’s or whatever new taxes whatever we
want to call it and it is going to be a common up on uh… a large number of democrats to
join with a smaller number of republicans in the house to pass this
bill so its basically going to be uh… not only are we going to cut
entitlements not only going to hurt uh… mp uh… the people who are getting these
benefits not only are we going to hurt the the brand of the democratic rights
button twenty fourteen you’re gonna have to run against republicans who said you
voted to cut so security and the question is doodle roju democrats in the house have the sense of both politically in and frankly morally end in terms of it to shear economics have the sense to say
that were not going to go along with this grand bargain are they going to break from the
president here you know i don’t know and uh… waiting
on yeah they’ve precedent is meaningful anyway uh… you know you
don’t let it be too sure of this nevertheless he has clearly come out in
favor of the chain c_p_r_ which is very bad news on the other hand there’s been too letter said it been circulated to the
president one of which done by by alan greenspan icon richmond great tenant
kano which is that we just won’t vote for
anything that includes cuts just social security medicare and medicaid curious couldn’t afford you couldn’t get
the full progressing caucus to sign onto that easily thirty-third and there are
more tightening on the f time goes on but it wasn’t like a big rash no if you put it that way yet another letter which was a lot has a
lot more uh… you know illegally we have wiggle room where there can you
know we are against it we’re opposed to it which you now whatever i mean that that could mean
anything and but my personal feeling is that we have a
different situation here then you know a lot of people hearken back to
the to the health care debate in which the progresses in a pledge that they wouldn’t get you know they weren’t i-ninety any
deal that didn’t include the public option and then we had done that different because the creation of the
public option with an advance brightening up with them and we wanted
to get it was a actually taking away something
that we already had anydvd argument made ke progressive democrat and it was a
compelling argument at the time was sad this expansion of the medicaid program
with is and significantly anything that happened
ten to fifteen daniel black analysis that’s a straight-up government program
you know people there’s no private insurers involved in other their weapon
there wasn’t uh… theory lately uh… back at the time the idea was
looked into the huge public program in its for some of the media people that we
have the working poor speaking you know are you willing to
walk away from it because you didn’t get something that you wanted an advance one argument different we have two
hostages care we have the elderly with medicare enforce the security and we have medicaid which is that very programs that they
were sort of you know pressured into accepting in the health care today voter on the chopping block or you’ve got today the head to direct kid from the
you know that people on you know uh… you know and can’t be buried other
programs that are being squeezed by the sequester essentially what happened is that the
democratic establishment including the white house is telling
people about democrats which you know how to catch and it’s a stuffy strike here you pack we’d appreciate that decade today are we gonna shoot a calculator morrow
somebody’s gonna get shot now tim i’m rethinking and maybe that’s
just me being a you know it dirty hippies crafty blogger back to me
that when you walk away from there is no outside there and i do not c_y_ democrats i can’t find the logic that allows me to play so you shape that you know exp to one of those i wish i was there add with that that the other aspect that is different
is you’re no longer running on president obama’s coattails exactly exactly heavyweight him these democrats where possible will be attacked from the
left they will get primary challengers if they find a way to the security and
guarantee that wherever they’re is one and there
may be more then otherwise but happened if they do this because some
people when they be compelled around they’re gonna get attacked from the left
in primary and whether they were not incumbents
usually do win that to kill people talking about by a d you know the laughed on the
offensive security matter at which point they’re right wing challenger not incumbent no voting record to defend welcome in an attack came from the right on such security code democratic and get it really hard on
this case is going to be very difficult but they should know that they should
now what kind of a attack they’re going to take this if you
didn’t call it the third rail for nothing you know is the most dangerous my hunting
contrived for democrats to do it can’t even imagine why they’re contemplating
it honestly it should just be you know now
no we’re not doing that united to defeat now actresses i don’t know i don’t know what you’ve been smoking
but please do you know put it away consistent not
gonna happen um… by you know here we are and that you know i
hope they’re ready for it if they do it and i don’t believe that that’s the only
way that can perhaps idon’t think no republicans are not going to denny
carried back you know carry the load on their they’re
gonna make a democrat to do it that’s the whole point here right and they’ve
got to put you know that white house on board and all they need to do is get a
majority of democrats who have and a large faction of the planet have and i think there’s any doubt they
can get a majority there maybe there’d be a filibuster i don’t
know but you know another story dot kalkaska this
caribbean dot you know following on the democrats on
the day you know and for some reason the white house think that this was a great
legacy building thing that everybody bite the fact that site i mean before
the white because you know whether it’s uh… a
week after the obama presidency is over or or five
or ten years it’s still gonna be at the media still gonna be dominated by people
who don’t give a crap at the end of the day about uh… some people get in the you know whatever
five-ten their percent last on there so security benefits they don’t care that
some people to have to work longer and this is not an issue for them and so i think that’s me that’s the in idon’t know how cynical
they get in the uh… white house uh… to perceive that i could just be that is
what they understand you know but i think uh… in in in
rather that they don’t break it down in the same way that uh… you know your i
might that um… the establishment is never going to punish a democrat for or making government less responsive to with the people uh… that uh… they’re
actually going to over rewarded uh… that democrat i mean here that that’s
the whole the that’s also rear exit if you are uh… anyone from david gregory through
just about anybody else in the media uh… short of a couple hosts on msnbc um… and did not even now the majority of their contributors i
would say um… you issue somehow manage to keep people from getting something
from government and you’re a democrat than you you that that puts you in the but the whole thing absolutely they could certainly the villagers will reward the
democrats for doing that there’s no doubt about it they think this is what
they love more than anything on the other hand i have to say that i
think that legacy leg peterbilt by specific people and
wouldn’t your enemy of course will do everything they can keep create at the
legacy that they want and i think we can expect that they will not be daybreak is not
going to be kind to barrack obama whether or not coming up he ordered the killing of a from a pin
live in and they still hated got so i i uh… you know your party see how he could do anything and
including that they would approve of so i think we
can feel sure that they’re going to write his legacy as one of adept failure
horror in you know complete you know communistic use their yes listened to the by dark
period of uh… example exterior three-month-old politics but on that india there or that you know
the media will had it you know first drafted history which we see many you
know well i’m old enough you probably aren’t that i’m old enough to feed their
first draft uh… that but they don’t know we’re told that because the other side to have to rated
fuse the you know the supporters and you know brock obama has a lot of affection
uh… its bill among democrats i think that they
generally like an i_d_ respect however that over
time the the liberal faction will fall away
if he deputy manager of to get this social security aguilarg quayle entitlement uh… cuts peru and without that he can have a problem righty any liberal legacy i think that that you know he designee to have those people on his again to be fair to him he doesn’t have a
liberal legacy media already dead heat dot when it’s called obama kerr and he has been very pro i think a very body had been the
president in power to shifted the white house stamped on gay rights trigger an applicant alan and huge
personal shift on gay marriage and um… both of the things are
significant their substantially treatment and you note that the court
that on his record uh… you know obama care we don’t know
what’s gonna happen but we do know that he managed to get a health care reform
passed and that is that significant if you need this that you know that we can keep doing
this entitlement days born of the villages but people who did absolutely
that liberal head say you need to be mitigated somehow i think by doing something that you know the
centrist and and the you’re basically established nearly whatever they are
politically um… that they will they will give him
credit for doing something that was really hard that mckenna akikko saadia i
think the thing that we need because if you know i i still contend that uh… if
i would if i if i was then that i was worried about my legacy in that manner
and uh… that was uh… the the most important thing to me i
would just look and say ladies of the guys are doing at the book deals uh… these the villagers are the ones
are gonna get the book deals they have a platform salomon and uh… some
discovers the again a book out right now do our uh… you know get a a dual woodward
version of uh… you know how things fell apart just sort of anticipating
uh… discount uh… these cuts the entitlements but
uh… i know of springs eternal data network connecting can you should
read i was just gonna say dig at the time right now i don’t hate you know yet again to get on that block uh… has
wondering if there was something out there down right now break the stampin
you care about bach barack obama politically that out of town xxx

6 Comments

  • biggydx

    April 2, 2013

    I think whats going on with Obama, the Republicans, and Democrats may have an unexpected benefit to us because it will like create a schism between both parties. You have the Tea Party wing of the right, and the Liberal part of this new Third Way Democratic party.
    It'd be good for this country to have more than two parties, since two can't fully represent more than 300M people. This would also make it easier to root out the ones who want to screw over the American people.

    Reply
  • justjulie44

    April 2, 2013

    We are headed for a very dark future.

    Reply
  • Charlie Duran

    April 2, 2013

    I cant see a happy ending either.

    Reply
  • Charlie Duran

    April 2, 2013

    Digby is great

    Reply
  • baxtar1963

    April 3, 2013

    Jobs Jobs Jobs………..The Republican plan for America still waiting. Between rounds of golf and $400 bottles of Merlot John Bohner is totally focused on Jobs.

    Reply
  • Serge Lubomudrov

    April 3, 2013

    What did she mean she can't find a logical explanation of Democrats' position? It's very simple: they play to lose (and they are being payed to do just that). Remember 2010?

    Reply

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